Women in Gaming Get into Now Discusses
Women in Authority in Gaming
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[12:03] Badazz: lets introduce ourselves without interruption
[12:04] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I am male, almost 21 years old and have been working for Xfire as Xfire Helper for a few months now. For some personal issues I could not take part of the Xfire's chat event, but now I am here :)
[12:04] Badazz: Ok Teratos
[12:04] Badazz: are you here yet?
[12:04] Badazz: Thanks Jonez
[12:04] Badazz: :)
[12:05] [Xfire++] GODJonez: oh, and I am here as an individual, not as Xfire employee ;)
[12:05] Badazz: Thanks.. I thought so
[12:05] Badazz: I am still waiting for some of the guests from last week to show up.
[12:05] Badazz: Hopefully they remembered and didnt get tied up with thier busy lives
[12:05] Schattenjager: Teratos is playing hallloooooooo
[12:05] Celeste: Since when are you employee Jonez :P
[12:05] Badazz: yes
[12:05] Badazz: but he is done now
[12:05] Badazz: :)
[12:06] [Xfire++] GODJonez: "few months"
[12:06] Badazz: Teratos
[12:06] Badazz: would you like to introduce yourself?
[12:06] Celeste: Xfire employee? :O
[12:08] Celeste: o.o?
[12:08] Nodgene: *eats dinner*
[12:08] [{A}Teratos: Sorry, what am I supposed to do, I'm catching up
[12:08] Nodgene: decribe yourself
[12:08] Badazz: introduce yourself
[12:08] [{A}Teratos: Oh
[12:08] Badazz: hehe
[12:08] Schattenjager: lmao
[12:08] Badazz: smacks tera on the head
[12:08] [{A}Teratos: Alright, I'm a civil engineering student at WVU, in my third year.
[12:09] [{A}Teratos: :-/
[12:09] Badazz: And your interest in this chat is?
[12:09] [{A}Teratos: I run a bit, and I know Badazz (forgive me please).
[12:09] Nodgene: WVU?
[12:09] Badazz: shhh
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[12:10] [{A}Teratos: sorry
[12:10] [{A}Teratos: I work as Director of Marketing & PR at RenWerX
[12:10] [{A}Teratos: and yes, West Virginia University
[12:10] Badazz: I am Badazz
[12:10] Badazz: I am also known as Babz
[12:11] Badazz: I game, I play tribes 2 and any puzzle game I can get my hands on.
[12:11] Badazz: I am a community leader for Elite Warriors Online, admin, server admin and teamspeak host. I also have over 250 contacts on my trillian
[12:11] Badazz: I assist at Renwerx as the Lead Recruiter
[12:11] Badazz: I am a woman gamer, mother of a gamer and wife of a gamer (almost)
[12:12] Badazz: we arent married..
[12:12] Badazz: but he is a good gamer
[12:12] Badazz: :)
[12:12] Badazz: Celeste?
[12:12] Celeste: meow?
[12:12] Badazz: ya you
[12:13] Badazz: ok is that all?
[12:13] Badazz: lol
[12:13] [Xfire++] GODJonez: isn't that enought for her?
[12:13] Badazz: Ok Hellspawn, why did I invite you and who are you?
[12:14] Nodgene: haha
[12:14] HellSpawn07: Ima dude, 39yo. my real name is kirk. Currently sound effects lead for RenWerX game Ascension. My history is strewn with sound capabilities and have done countless works in the Tribes 2 community such as...over 200 replacement sounds, skins, GUI's and other misc. goodies and am still active in a clan that I've been in for 8 years. I can't pwn anyone in a game but I can pwn like mad in a community... . My thing for being here is because I've always treated everyone the same...male/female/race...whatever. And I got backup to prove it ;p there's too much for me to say in this room so here's me: http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/user/Venge
[12:15] Celeste: My name is Celeste, also known as Mewi. I am an A+ certified technician as of the end of last month. I also like to do art/graphic design on my spare time. I have a past history of fighting online bigotry, corruption and other things of the sort as well as have a position in three LGBT community non profit organizations. I also like to say I have alot of knowledge on law related topics ;p
[12:16] Badazz: thanks Celeste
[12:16] Badazz: :)
[12:16] Badazz: Ok, Nod
[12:16] Celeste: oh yeah, I am female, a lesbian :P
[12:16] Schattenjager: hehe
[12:16] HellSpawn07: :
[12:17] Celeste: and im 22? XP
[12:17] Badazz: I am female straight and had four kids and ama gramma
[12:17] Badazz: 40
[12:17] Schattenjager: Old woman :p
[12:17] Badazz: stfu
[12:17] [Xfire++] GODJonez: hah
[12:17] HellSpawn07: old hag
[12:17] Schattenjager: no... you sdfu :p
[12:17] Celeste: You just owned her XD
[12:17] Schattenjager: LOL
[12:17] Nodgene: Good evening everyone! I am a 19yo male studying games design games design at university in Bolton; England. My have a wide range of intellectual interests, and a keen interest in gaming ad game design I plan to use to set up a games design studio after University. .... And, I think that's a general jist of things..
[12:18] Nodgene: I*
[12:18] Badazz: another friend from renwerx has decided to join us
[12:18] hybernuclear: hi
[12:18] Badazz: Meet CytoNuclear
[12:18] Nodgene: THOSE folk.
[12:18] Badazz: well hyber here
[12:18] Nodgene: Hello :)
[12:18] SnoWytch: Hello :)
[12:18] hybernuclear: ;)
[12:18] Schattenjager: Yo
[12:18] Celeste: welcome to hell :O
[12:18] hybernuclear: hi lolll
[12:19] HellSpawn07: thank you
[12:19] Badazz: ok, Shatt, tell everyone who you are and we will get cyto last
[12:19] Celeste: not you!
[12:19] HellSpawn07: lol
[12:19] Schattenjager: Hey.... im in Hell leave my home outt a it :p
[12:19] Badazz: slow down
[12:19] Badazz: shat.. intro
[12:19] HellSpawn07: if anyone is in me...I'd know it
[12:19] Badazz: HS07!!
[12:19] Badazz: shhhh
[12:19] Badazz: she is typing... shhh
[12:20] hybernuclear: wyoming
[12:20] hybernuclear: yeah
[12:20] [{A}Teratos: from renwerx?
[12:20] Nodgene: Americans!
[12:20] [{A}Teratos: o rly?
[12:20] hybernuclear: i don't have a mic but I can hear ya guyz
[12:20] Nodgene: brb
[12:21] hybernuclear: lol
[12:22] Schattenjager: Ok, well i've been online since 93 with various games like MUD's. I am nothing specially really. Known Babz for quite a few years but i've not figured out just how long. I am female, 32 and techsupport for medical EMR program through McKesson. I've been with tribes2 sine it first came out but didn't get to meet Babz and Lone till after I joined Miami Vehicals. Of course when they decided to be bastards... gave up that. Babz pulled me into EWo and things have been yo-yo'ing since. Why I am here? Because I am the sort to see both sides of the story I guess. Not sure, have to ask Babz about that.
[12:23] Badazz: all right, sno are you here ?
[12:23] SnoWytch: Yes!
[12:23] Badazz: yay
[12:23] hybernuclear: woot
[12:23] Badazz: she skipped class to attend btw
[12:23] HellSpawn07: oooo
[12:23] SnoWytch: My name is Victoria and I am a 39 year old mom of three girls, ages 11, 8 and 6. I am working on my Masters in Computer Information Systems concentrating in Database Administration at Denver University. I started gaming in the late 70s and plan on being buried with my Xbox.:D
I am here to discuss women's issues within the gaming industry which not only affect myself, but my daughters who are becoming gamers also.
[12:23] Schattenjager: woot wtg
[12:23] hybernuclear: lol it's saturday?
[12:23] HellSpawn07: I'm tellin
[12:23] SnoWytch: :D
[12:24] SnoWytch: I attend online, its everyday for class
[12:24] hybernuclear: ahh oks
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[12:24] Badazz: There we go
[12:24] Badazz: Hi apocolyptica...
[12:24] Apocalyptica: hiya
[12:24] hybernuclear: Hi
[12:24] SnoWytch: Hello :)
[12:24] HellSpawn07: if we have any questions...we should ask her 'cause she's got college
[12:25] hybernuclear: I'm in college
[12:25] Badazz: ok
[12:25] HellSpawn07: Masters
[12:25] HellSpawn07: ;p
[12:25] Celeste: I've got college ;p
[12:25] Badazz: apocolyptica was late getting here, i am going to paste the logs to her to help her catch up with who we are
[12:25] * HellSpawn07 just got schooled
[12:25] Apocalyptica: thanks :)
[12:25] Schattenjager: lmao
[12:25] Celeste: she knows who I am :P
[12:25] Badazz: and until then, w ewil have Hyber and her introduce themselves one at a time
[12:25] Apocalyptica: was out for a meal. it is evening here ^^
[12:26] hybernuclear: huh?
[12:26] Nodgene: back
[12:26] [{A}Teratos: Time zones make the internet even more interesting.
[12:26] hybernuclear: lol
[12:26] Apocalyptica: indeed
[12:26] hybernuclear: ok
[12:26] hybernuclear: ummm
[12:28] Nodgene: I'm at university! Why does my positiion not get mentioned?!
[12:28] hybernuclear: I live in wyoming, was born in Dallas, TX ummn, been playing comp games since I can remember, T2 is fave and Ascension is gonna rox the house. I'm currently 18 and freshman in college University of Wyoming studying pre med
[12:28] Celeste: congrats Nodgene :p
[12:28] Nodgene: :D
[12:30] Badazz: ok apocolyptica, can you tell everyone here who you are? your turn
[12:32] Apocalyptica: ok, so I am Apocalyptica, I am 39 and been playing games since I am 7. I am a programmer and used to be part of a game developing company making §D RTS PC Games.. Now I ahve my own company and we are developing 3D Browserbesed MMO's
[12:32] Badazz: Thanks!
[12:32] hybernuclear: like Adventure Quest?
[12:33] Badazz: OK guys, we have a half an hour til 1 when officially our chat should start, i am going to round up the others if i can
[12:33] Apocalyptica: more like a mix between Diabola and and mordern MMORPG
[12:33] Apocalyptica: *Diabolo
[12:33] hybernuclear: ok
[12:33] hybernuclear: cool
[12:33] HellSpawn07: need someone for sounds?
[12:33] Celeste: Diablo*?
[12:33] HellSpawn07: ;x
[12:33] Apocalyptica: ^^
[12:33] Apocalyptica: thanks, bit sounds already
[12:33] hybernuclear: >:)
[12:34] Badazz: Hellspawn is the bomb
[12:34] Apocalyptica: lol, my typing has taking a turn to the worse ^^
[12:34] hybernuclear: what is HS doing?
[12:34] Celeste: Adventure quest is that web based flash game :p
[12:34] Celeste: lol XD
[12:34] HellSpawn07: same thing you're doing hybernuclear
[12:34] Apocalyptica: yes, we are not using flash, don't like flash at all :p
[12:34] hybernuclear: htat;s good
[12:34] Apocalyptica: can't do 3D ^^
[12:34] Badazz: go ahead and chat together, and godjones is gonna call the office and hunt down brinstar right?
[12:34] HellSpawn07: I'm wondering what I'm doing too
[12:34] hybernuclear: and what am I doins hell?
[12:35] Nodgene: apocalyptica, I'd be interested in discussing issues of setting up a games studio with you at some point. I need to know the like, specifically hiring and financing.
[12:36] Apocalyptica: stuff like that you can always ask me via email. One can make a lot longer text ^^ jasmin@pixeltamer.net.
[12:36] [Xfire++] GODJonez: no
[12:36] hybernuclear: ok
[12:36] Apocalyptica: thanks
[12:36] Nodgene: righteo
[12:36] [Xfire++] GODJonez: no idea where she would be
[12:37] Apocalyptica: Oh I forgot, I am also the tech lead tutor for the master degree students for the gaming university of Gotland, Sweden ^^
[12:37] HellSpawn07: :o
[12:37] [{A}Teratos: cool
[12:37] [Xfire++] GODJonez: hmm, gaming university?
[12:37] Nodgene: Your knowladge will prove useful.
[12:37] HellSpawn07: how could you possibly forget something like that?
[12:37] HellSpawn07: ;p
[12:37] Nodgene: hellspawn has a point
[12:38] hybernuclear: no kidding :P
[12:38] * HellSpawn07 puts a hat on to cover the point
[12:38] Apocalyptica: yes, in sweden being a game programmer or artist is like a nirmal job and one even can get state funding to study it
[12:38] hybernuclear: lol
[12:38] Badazz: wow
[12:38] Badazz: that is great jasmin
[12:38] hybernuclear: nice
[12:38] Apocalyptica: yes I could , I forget my head if it was not screwed on ;)
[12:39] HellSpawn07: where do they plug you in?
[12:39] Apocalyptica: yes, gaming in europe has become a lot of recongition
[12:39] Nodgene: yeah, france I believe initiated a recognition of gaming as worth of state funding; the same as art or cinema. and the UK is setting up a lot of games design courses.
[12:39] Apocalyptica: hehe
[12:39] HellSpawn07: :)
[12:39] Badazz: gaming in europe is a lot more normal there, not gender specific as much huh
[12:39] Apocalyptica: yes, here in germany it is happening too
[12:39] hybernuclear: wish I were there... almost
[12:39] Apocalyptica: indeed. genders does nto matter what so ever here in germany
[12:39] HellSpawn07: that's because you're not normal babs
[12:40] Nodgene: You poor Americans; I don't know how you survive in your messed up society :(
[12:40] Badazz: lol
[12:40] Badazz: now now
[12:40] HellSpawn07: it's tough
[12:40] Apocalyptica: well I used to live in US and am happy to be back in europe I must admit
[12:40] SnoWytch: I miss Germany
[12:40] hybernuclear: hahahahahaahhahaaaaa
[12:40] hybernuclear: no jk
[12:40] hybernuclear: jk
[12:40] [{A}Teratos: Interesting...
[12:40] [Xfire++] GODJonez: Finland pwns
[12:40] Schattenjager: What gets me is the attitudes about whats going on in the world.... :(
[12:40] Nodgene: They produce killer weapons... Literally.
[12:40] Celeste: >.> there is nothing wrong with American society....
[12:41] Nodgene: what with?
[12:41] hybernuclear: who?
[12:41] [{A}Teratos: So stigmas surrounding females gaming are non-existant in Europe?
[12:41] Schattenjager: I hate how people hate on a country
[12:41] HellSpawn07: afk...political talk
[12:41] Celeste: and its not as 'messed up' as foreigners claim
[12:41] hybernuclear: what?
[12:41] Badazz: slow down on the politics
[12:41] Badazz: ok
[12:41] Badazz: :)
[12:41] hybernuclear: oh
[12:41] Apocalyptica: well in germany there isn't, same as females gamers
[12:41] Schattenjager: Sorry, most attitudes stem from IRL events.
[12:41] Badazz: well we are here to discuss the culture of gaming
[12:41] Nodgene: No, because there's still more girls doing girly things than gaming.
[12:42] Badazz: and women in it
[12:42] Badazz: and the differences, the challenes and the benefits
[12:42] HellSpawn07: i do guy things more than gaming too
[12:42] Nodgene: Maybe that's just the UK though.
[12:42] Schattenjager: That is why certain aears have certain attiudes. Euro's have a laid back attitude but americans dont...
[12:42] SnoWytch: brb, break before next chat starts
[12:42] hybernuclear: I've heard 28-48ish women do more gaing than any other group
[12:42] HellSpawn07: there's a reason for that hyber
[12:42] Apocalyptica: well I have been in gaming since I am 7 and am now 39 :P
[12:42] Schattenjager: *chuckles*
[12:42] Nodgene: Americans have a dangerously large number of religious fanatics. Some of them are as bad as Al-Queada.
[12:42] hybernuclear: lool well that too
[12:43] Badazz: i have been gaming all my life
[12:43] HellSpawn07: because men turn into assheads at that age group
[12:43] Badazz: first it was board games, then cards, then video games then the ARCADE
[12:43] Schattenjager: True.. btu that doesnt give anyone a right to put everyone into that catagory y'know?
[12:43] Nodgene: lol, males are worst at teenage years. Surely?
[12:43] HellSpawn07: no
[12:43] Badazz: no
[12:43] HellSpawn07: mid 30s
[12:43] Badazz: i live with a 50 year old gamer that is male
[12:43] Schattenjager: :ift... Bab look at Toetag :p
[12:43] Badazz: he is grumpy
[12:43] [{A}Teratos: [15:41] Nodgene: Americans have a dangerously large number of religious fanatics. Some of them are as bad as Al-Queada. <<<>.>
[12:49] [{A}Teratos: The media eats that stuff up, we really don' t have many of those folks, and most religious folks don't care about modern Isreal except in a purely secular way.
[12:50] hybernuclear: hmmn hmmn not so sure about that teratos
[12:50] hybernuclear: fairly accurate
[12:50] Celeste: Yes sorry that wanting equal rights makes us gays and lesbians 'far worse'
[12:50] HellSpawn07: I was discussing on the phone to an old clan member/Leader (that is female) about an old clan member that I wasn't going to let into the clan because she couldn't offer anything to the team such as support or skillwise on our competition ladder. I let her in because she was trying to find somewhere comfortable to be because no one would accept her. It was a very odd situation
[12:50] Nodgene: I know that there is a majority who are friendly folk; I even know one creationist from the states who is a lovely and tolerant person. But how does your government get so influenced by weird right-wing ideals and such?
[12:51] * [{A}Teratos now confirms that Europeans can be rude.
[12:51] hybernuclear: Well. your society is agnostic, ours isn't. end of story
[12:51] Celeste: I dont know what 'influence' you are talking about.
[12:51] Nodgene: So can Americans :P We Europeans arn't a quiet bunch though, I'll grant you :)
[12:51] [Xfire++] GODJonez: <- is quiet [12:52] hybernuclear: lol [12:52] Nodgene: American policies on everything from stem-cells to isreal. [12:52] [{A}Teratos: I'm a *weird* creationist from the states. Our government is influenced by corruption, like your European governments - it just advertises it under a different banner. [12:52] HellSpawn07: I'm not here to gripe about countries or political and religious views. The matter at hand is equality in gaming [12:52] hybernuclear: yes [12:52] hybernuclear: yes to both of above [12:52] HellSpawn07: can we please get back on track? [12:52] Nodgene: I suppose that is right :( [12:52] Nodgene: Sorry. [12:52] hybernuclear: on trak = +++ [12:52] HellSpawn07: :) [12:52] Badazz: ty [12:52] Nodgene: I don't see a great disparity between males and females in gaming. *shrugs* [12:53] HellSpawn07: that's why you're here [12:53] HellSpawn07: :P [12:53] Nodgene: :) [12:53] Schattenjager: Hmm, liet me give you all an example [12:53] Nodgene: Shoot [12:53] hybernuclear: yes? [12:53] Schattenjager: Warrock, I play that a lot.... [12:53] Nodgene: I played that when it was a free beta. [12:53] Schattenjager: In there the range of ages are 11 to 50 something [12:53] SnoWytch: I see myself as a Gamer. I don't really see male or female when I am online gameing [12:54] hybernuclear: if they are cussing alot and dirty talking = male in general [12:54] Celeste: Everyone is so obsessed with US government because it happens to be the only 1st world country in the world. So jealousy arises and people target the US with little lies, rumours, gossip etc. [12:54] hybernuclear: oN TRAK! [12:54] Badazz: ok we are done talking about america and europe [12:54] Schattenjager: But as soon as I tell someone i am female I get these young little fucks haraassing me. Hell in WR you get clans harassing anyone who has a tag in the game. That makes it uncomfortable to play. But you find that harassment everywhere and its not gender based. [12:54] Nodgene: what's wrong with cursing? When your friend sneaks up beind you and smacks your head in, crawling back when you were on a role - that's worth a loud profanity! [12:54] Celeste: I'm not done -.- [12:54] Schattenjager: Basicly human nature is to compete and who's top dog. Women are seen as poor figures for that position. [12:55] HellSpawn07: the thing that I see too many women suffer is when they are found out to "be" female...they get bashed and pinpointed about everything they do and why should anything like that happen?...because of male insecurities [12:55] hybernuclear: Celeste, but you aRE off track, plz come back on [12:55] Nodgene: I'd disagree. Women sadly have a greater capacity for social understanding and manipulation than males. [12:55] hybernuclear: agree with HS and i am male [12:55] Badazz: ok [12:55] Celeste: You recently said a negative thing about homosexuals hybernuclear. That is something I cannot ignore -.- [12:55] Badazz: I have a list of topic questions to use today [12:55] Badazz: and you guys are actually hitting right on them [12:56] Badazz: So lets get this started by everyone hushing up while I get this started [12:56] hybernuclear: Nodge again you are misinformed, they just tend to grvtate that way, same as the gravitate towadr laguange while men gravitate towar mathe/shience [12:56] Nodgene: But hellspawn, girls get hit on ALL the time. Doesn't matter where. It's not something specific to gaming that can be fixed if it's root is a social problem or attitude. [12:56] Badazz: SHHHHHHH [12:56] [Xfire++] GODJonez: once a female gamer, nick Lea, joined my Counter-Strike server where I was playing with my friend. Unlike many other random people that joined the server, it was nice to play with her [12:56] hybernuclear: ok [12:56] HellSpawn07: personal sexuality is not a topic for discussion...can we leave it at that please? [12:56] [{A}Teratos: +m this channel :) [12:56]
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[12:56] Celeste: I am female, I am lesbian. Since lesbians are related to women and gaming, sexuality is related as well.
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[12:57] Badazz: OKay
[12:57] Nodgene: MODERATION!
[12:57] hybernuclear: sorry celeste
[12:57] [{A}Teratos: I can see Celeste's point there.
[12:57] Badazz: now. I have some questions I am going to layout
[12:57] Badazz: as we go along
[12:57] Badazz: one person at a time will talk as I name them
[12:57] Badazz: if there is too much interruption you will be muted
[12:57] hybernuclear: i just mean the disparity is greaet that with right wing, I wasn't puting you down
[12:57] Badazz: hyber
[12:57] Badazz: pls
[12:57] hybernuclear: ok
[12:58] Nodgene: Uh, well they "graviatate" towards that because it's a natural thing. I don't see how whatyou're saying effects what I said, please explain.
[12:58] Badazz: thank you
[12:58] Badazz: NOD
[12:58] Badazz: shhh
[12:58] Nodgene: : Sorry, I focus on typing and not reading.
[12:58] Nodgene: until I'm done :)
[12:58] Badazz: everyone will get a chance to get a question
[12:58] hybernuclear: yes'm
[12:58] Badazz: and everyone will be given an opportunity to discuss after that person is done
[12:59] Badazz: show some respect and hold your tongue even if it is burning inside you.. write in notepad so you dont forget if you have to
[12:59] Badazz: but dont interrupt
[12:59] Badazz: Last week it was hard because a question would be asked and everyone would answer at once
[12:59] Badazz: so i want this to go much more smoothly
[12:59] Badazz: ok
[12:59] Badazz: you can respond yes or no now
[12:59] Badazz: :)
[13:00] Badazz: or request to be muted :) LOL
[13:00] Badazz: OK
[13:00] Nodgene: K! It's hard! Not to type stuff when you feel passionately about it and don't realise what someone has typed until you press "enter"!
[13:00] Badazz: the first set of questions is for a woman
[13:00] Nodgene: *is quiet*
[13:00] hybernuclear: ditto
[13:00] Badazz: so I am going to pick Apocoliptica
[13:00] Apocalyptica: here
[13:00] Apocalyptica: ^^
[13:01] Badazz: this is a set of three
[13:01] Badazz: Do you believe that your role as a woman has enhanced your ability to be in a role of authority, and if so, how?
Do you see any difference as an authority person, in how you are treated by people?
Better or worse, by men or by women?
[13:03] Apocalyptica: Answer to No1: No I truly believe that it was not me beeing female that gave me first my job and then my own firm. It was a pssion for games, knowledge about gaming and a passion for my job, meaning a passion to code. Only this got me my position fist as a coder to be employed, then a lead coder and then my own firm. I am also a good teamplayer and no primadonna which is important in a big team
[13:04] Apocalyptica: Answer to No2: Yes, wenn I am dealing with international peeps I do have to show them that I have experience and also know what I am talking about. Once they realize this, I am totally accepted as a person and not looked upon as a female.
[13:06] Apocalyptica: Answer NO3: By women I find I am treated usually worse as in my experience (there are always exeptions of course) women want to be more than euqal and when they start talking to me and my views, they totally cannot understand. I do realize that is because of the cultural difference and explain. After that all usually goes finde
[13:06] Apocalyptica: *fine
[13:06] Badazz: Thanks Jasmine
[13:07] Apocalyptica: anytime :)
[13:07] Badazz: Ok is there anyone in the room burning to respond to this?
[13:07] hybernuclear: I agree completely with all 3
[13:07] Apocalyptica: thanks :)
[13:07] SnoWytch: I do also, especially No 3
[13:08] Nodgene: Women treat each other wose? I have noticed how bitchy teenage girls and girls can be, but nothing of women?
[13:08] Nodgene: worse*
[13:08] SnoWytch: Sometimes this is the case, i have found
[13:08] [{A}Teratos: I can believe #2, but I think it will fade in the coming years.
[13:09] Badazz: Ok, Snowytch
[13:09] Badazz: Does the natural mothering skills of a woman give her an advantage as a leader in gaming, do people respond well to that persona?
[13:10] SnoWytch: I think so. It tends to come out unintentionally when gaming. I have serveral adopted little brothers from WoW that I tend to be motherly to. This could just be me though. As a mom, I do tend to take charge of situations.
[13:10] Badazz: Would anyone like to respond to the question or answer?
[13:11] HellSpawn07: yes
[13:11] Badazz: go for it
[13:11] HellSpawn07: mmmm...
[13:11] HellSpawn07: not all women have those capabilities entirely
[13:11] HellSpawn07: solely based on their upbringing
[13:11] HellSpawn07: BUT
[13:11] Nodgene: You'd be suprised.
[13:12] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I believe that for this subject the type of game has a significant role. In a MMORPG like World of Warcraft I think it would really work, but in other kinds of games, such as FPS games the mothery way would not be effective
[13:12] hybernuclear: again i have to agree SW, sounds right to me. as to HS, lol
[13:12] Nodgene: oops, spoke out of turn - sorry.
[13:12] HellSpawn07: there is a certain "mortar that keeps the brick in place" that men in general cannot supply
[13:13] HellSpawn07: done
[13:13] Apocalyptica: yes I totally agree with GodJOnez
[13:13] Badazz: I dont
[13:13] Badazz: I am totally FPS
[13:13] Badazz: and we host a chat
[13:13] Nodgene: Nor do I.
[13:13] Badazz: I have to pul my mommy hat on regularly
[13:13] [{A}Teratos: I see Badazz attempt this quite often. I think some gamers respond to it quite well. I've known several that use gaming as an escape from poor conditions IRL, if you will, and have noticed that they are particularly interested in being 'adopted'.
[13:13] hybernuclear: i agree with him somewaht
[13:13] Badazz: with leaders and with youngsters
[13:13] Nodgene: Your proection of your peers becomes more prominent in more intense FPS scenarios.
[13:13] hybernuclear: doeant completely control it, but does affect some
[13:14] Badazz: I have had to quiet battles stemmed from gameplay
[13:14] Nodgene: although my friends just either run into death or kill me. So it's not that usual for me to be teamworking on FPS :(
[13:14] Badazz: i have had to organize events
[13:14] Badazz: the men have taught me alot about strategy and the sort
[13:14] HellSpawn07: Babs took over my role so I stopped coming around
[13:14] HellSpawn07: lol
[13:15] Badazz: but I think that they have learned tolerance and modified admin powers from me
[13:15] Badazz: instead of big hammers, they think before they strike now
[13:15] hybernuclear: lol
[13:15] Badazz: OK next
[13:16] Badazz: Jonez
[13:16] Badazz: What do women to do differently as a leader than a man would have done? Do you notice a particular difference in style, expectations etc?
[13:17] [Xfire++] GODJonez: typing
[13:18] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I have personally not seen so many cases where I had known that the person taking the lead would be female, so I cannot really answer this question for sure. But I have a feeling that there isn't so much of a difference, especially when it comes to games requiring skill.
[13:19] Badazz: how about in your position as an xfire staff member?
[13:19] Badazz: that is part of hte gaming culture, communication programs like this
[13:19] Badazz: there are men and women on the staff.. do you notice any differences?
[13:19] [Xfire++] GODJonez: the company hierarchy really doesn't make me applicable for that question
[13:20] Badazz: does xfire use the women differently?
[13:20] [Xfire++] GODJonez: but they are quite equal as far as I can see
[13:20] Badazz: has anyone else got a response to this as well?
[13:20] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I'd say there are surprisingly many women working for Xfire
[13:20] Nodgene: Yes
[13:21] Celeste: 5 total
[13:21] hybernuclear: hmnn I would say women treat leadersip/admin more as a responsibility in general, men as a priveledge
[13:21] SnoWytch: I would think women tend to work more with emotions, and use this in leadership
[13:21] Apocalyptica: I find there is differenhces between coder, grafik artist and level designer, but no differences between gender
[13:21] Celeste: 5 out of 30 at xfire headquarters
[13:21] [{A}Teratos: I agree with hybernuclear.
[13:22] Badazz: hmmfp... makes me think of someone, but i will be mum about it
[13:22] Badazz: ok
[13:22] Nodgene: I'd say men make poor team members.
[13:22] hybernuclear: and this is boviously not always true, as there are the "different" people like me
[13:22] Badazz: Celeste, i am gonna give you a Juicy one
[13:22] Badazz: *Do you think that women can be catty, especially with each other and can this affect leadership roles?
[13:22] HellSpawn07: I agree with that Nod
[13:22] Nodgene: In my experience, a good friend of mine who is a competent gamer usually manages to fail a team because he fails to tell the other what he needs to do, or fails to ask when he needs help, or correlate at all with a team plan.
[13:22] Badazz: Nod...
[13:23] Badazz: I asked celeste a question
[13:23] HellSpawn07: Badazz: Celeste, i am gonna give you a Juicy one
Badazz: *Do you think that women can be catty, especially with each other and can this affect leadership roles?
[13:23] Nodgene: Sorry, I was responding to the "Badazz: has anyone else got a response to this as well?"
[13:23] Badazz: hehe ok
[13:23] Badazz: shh
[13:23] Nodgene: :(
[13:23] Badazz: sorry
[13:23] Celeste: Not really, anyone can conflict with anyone. That "catty" term was a mediavised influence that placed the idea in men that if two girls fight they will eventually engage in some sort of lesbian romance.
[13:23] hybernuclear: huh?
[13:23] Badazz: realy?
[13:23] Nodgene: what?
[13:23] Badazz: never heard that but ok
[13:24] hybernuclear: that was random
[13:24] Nodgene: *laughs*
[13:24] Nodgene: fantadtic myth.
[13:24] Celeste: aka "cat fight"
[13:24] Nodgene: fanatastic*
[13:24] * HellSpawn07 falls out of his chair
[13:24] Nodgene: haha
[13:24] hybernuclear: Irlly wanna laugh right now
[13:24] Badazz: OK lets keep this real
[13:24] [{A}Teratos: wow
[13:24] Badazz: ok
[13:24] HellSpawn07: wtf
[13:24] hybernuclear: ok
[13:24] Celeste: I am quite serious.
[13:24] hybernuclear: I kow you are
[13:24] Badazz: Celeste would you like to speak more?
[13:25] Celeste: I am the one that chooses when to speak ;p
[13:25] Badazz: Ok are you done?
[13:25] Celeste: maybe, maybe not ;3
[13:25] hybernuclear: >:0
[13:25] Badazz: she is the devil.
[13:25] hybernuclear: lol
[13:25] HellSpawn07: we're just trying to keep thingsa movin
[13:25] Badazz: ok celeste i am moving on to the next question
[13:25] Badazz: For... hmmmm
[13:25] hybernuclear: thx
[13:25] Badazz: who do i pick for this one
[13:26] Badazz: Teratos
[13:26] [{A}Teratos: oh my
[13:26] Badazz: What do you do to protect the younger groups of players that come in.
[13:26] * HellSpawn07 points at Teratos
[13:26] [{A}Teratos: Aww, I've run a clan since 2003
[13:27] hybernuclear: >:O age discrim!
[13:27] Nodgene: haha
[13:27] [{A}Teratos: no
[13:27] [{A}Teratos: typing
[13:28] [{A}Teratos: We were worried we might have problems with younger players (and our few females) being at risk from older players. We didn't really verify ages or backgrounds. What we did was closely monitor VoIP, and publicized information about "e-safety". We also had rules regarding personal information. It worked out quite well I think.
[13:29] Badazz: Those are really great tactics
[13:29] Badazz: Anyone else want to comment?
[13:29] hybernuclear: That's called good planning. Excellent work.
[13:29] HellSpawn07: very sexy
[13:29] hybernuclear: ????
[13:29] [{A}Teratos: Note: I was one of the kids at the time, but no one knew.
[13:29] hybernuclear: lol
[13:30] Celeste: As a moderator I'd like to say that keeping certain players PG is usually an impossible goal and that banning them is usually the only solution.
[13:30] Badazz: I know one of my things, is that I speak to the females immediately, and let them know that we are here, and if there is any trouble at all to immediately contact myself or another admin. we dont tolerate women being harrassed.
[13:31] HellSpawn07: she's got her finger on the button at all times!
[13:31] hybernuclear: agree with Celeste *, and Badazz.
[13:31] Badazz: ok
[13:31] Badazz: Shatt, did i ask you anything yet?
[13:31] Schattenjager: nope
[13:32] Badazz: How do you handle group situations, when adult topics pop up unexpectedly in mixed age groups?
[13:32] Nodgene: *laughs* "shat" here is a humorously warped form of the word "shit" :D
[13:32] Apocalyptica: I kick them from the chat
[13:32] Badazz: hold on
[13:32] Apocalyptica: ups sorry
[13:32] Badazz: everyone.. shat's turn
[13:32] Celeste: Some players/members think they own chat rooms or forum sections so they deny the rules in which the server is advocated by. Oftenly talk back is usually this "if they dont like it they can leave"
[13:33] Nodgene: brb
[13:33] Celeste: "I didnt ask them to read my post"
[13:33] hybernuclear: she was being sarc
[13:33] Badazz: OK that question was for shattenjagger
[13:33] Badazz: shhh
[13:33] Celeste: "If they are old enough to type, they are old enough to deal with it"
[13:33] Celeste: o.O
[13:36] Schattenjager: *eyes them* Well, me, since I can't do jack shit about it i tend to mute them if its beyound what I wish to hear. There's not much I can't handle. I am 32, I am an adult. I curse just as badly as the men at times. If I find something inappropiate I am going to let others know what I think pretty bluntly. Over here, there is issues with age, in europe and all there are no issues. America regulates things where was others around the world do not. Yes if they are old enough maybe they should be able to handle it . Either way, it depends on the adult situation. Me, i have no problem with it but sometimes others don't need to hear it. Not that it really answers the question.
[13:36] Badazz: Ok, anyone else want to comment before we move to next question?
[13:37] hybernuclear: I Engage (as many of the youngsters as possible) them in personal chats so they don't have to see it while politely reccomending that the offender leave, if they don't I ban them >;)
[13:37] hybernuclear: and mute is always good too, permanently
[13:37] Badazz: this brings us to Voice binds
[13:37] SnoWytch: On the other side, it is my responsibility as a parent to monitor my child online and in games.
[13:37] Badazz: How does Everyone here feel about auto voice binds that can be altered skewed and made to be really gross
[13:38] [Xfire++] GODJonez: hate em
[13:38] hybernuclear: grrr
[13:38] Nodgene: eh?
[13:38] * HellSpawn07 pleas the 5th
[13:38] Nodgene: Explain please what a "voice bind" is?
[13:38] hybernuclear: I like alterable, but oughta auto blok nastiness
[13:38] Badazz: hellspawn07
[13:38] hybernuclear: V, V, G.
[13:38] Badazz: could you define voice binds
[13:38] Badazz: ?
[13:38] HellSpawn07: yes
[13:38] Badazz: without providing gross ones?
[13:38] Badazz: lol
[13:39] HellSpawn07: a voice bind is a command path of keys to generate an audio voice clip in game to notify another player
[13:39] Nodgene: k
[13:39] hybernuclear: V, G, C for you T1 players, jk.
[13:39] Badazz: ok
[13:39] Badazz: next question
[13:39] Nodgene: sort of like spamming audio taunts?
[13:39] [{A}Teratos: lol, tribes isn't the only series to have such things.
[13:39] Badazz: yes
[13:40] Nodgene: k
[13:40] hybernuclear: except faster and worse
[13:40] Nodgene: righteo
[13:40] Badazz: Who did i miss?
[13:40] Badazz: nod?
[13:40] Badazz: have you had a question yet? hyber? who is next
[13:40] hybernuclear: i haven't
[13:40] Badazz: Ok Cytonuclear... as I know you
[13:40] hybernuclear: hmmmn?
[13:41] hybernuclear: I'm fine, just ask for my veiwpoint
[13:41] Nodgene: *is quiet*
[13:41] Badazz: As a long time woman gamer, I am still somewhat discouraged that the gaming industry continues to develop games that suffer from Zelda syndrome. (Hero rescues brainless woman) Stubbs the zombie is a good example.
Do you feel the industry is improving how women are portrayed in games and in leadership roles or is there still improvements that need to be made?
[13:41] Nodgene: who is that for?
[13:41] Badazz: hyber
[13:42] Nodgene: k
[13:43] hybernuclear: Well, I havn't played a very wide range of games, but I feel in general that they are improving, like female hereos, Bloodrayne, and smarter (sometimes sassier) female characters, and yes, there aren't as nearly as many "brainless" women in gaming anymore, I think they know you're here girls!
[13:43] Badazz: Okay, anyone want to comment further?
[13:43] [Xfire++] GODJonez: That's the traditional storyline for many (non-gaming) stories, you have been read these stories as children, you have seen them on TV's. So why not have them in games too?
[13:44] Badazz: I agre jonez
[13:44] hybernuclear: I also think it was a "how men veiw women (perhaps that man's ideal woman?)stereotype thing
[13:44] Nodgene: I would agree, it's a social reflection.
[13:44] [Xfire++] GODJonez: but I see that gaming industry is (fortunately) moving towards accepting women as the heroes of the games as well
[13:44] hybernuclear: well, I am fine with that genre, but brainless? that's just stupid
[13:44] Nodgene: haha, if a man's ideal woman is brainless that's a pretty damning reflection of them.
[13:44] hybernuclear: no duh
[13:45] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I take no zombies
[13:45] Badazz: I think I am gonna get snowytch with the next question
[13:45] SnoWytch: ok
[13:45] Badazz: it is a tripple
[13:45] SnoWytch: Oh boy :D
[13:45] Badazz: How would you describe the cutlure of gaming to a complete noob. say one of your girl members brought her mom into gaming..?
How would you prepare her for what she is going to see/feel and hear?
What would you like to say to the Gaming Industry as a woman gamer?
[13:47] SnoWytch: No. 1 Hmmmm. It is a unique culture. We have our own way of speaking, and our unique social ladder, based on game kills!
[13:48] SnoWytch: No 2. My oldest daughter is 11 and has taken off in games, online and off. She tends to be shy and look to me to answer for her when spoken to in a game. I am slowly getting used to talking to people in game.
[13:48] SnoWytch: getting her used to talking*
[13:49] SnoWytch: To the gaming industry: I am a Gamer first and formost, who just happens to be a woman.
[13:49] Badazz: hoorah
[13:50] Badazz: OK, we are done. I had a few more questions, but they are already covered by answers and questions that we went over!!
[13:50] Badazz: I think we did a great job today folks
[13:50] Badazz: and
[13:50] Badazz: we need to think about our next chat
[13:50] Apocalyptica: right, I need to be off now. Sorry about that. Need to catch a plane. Talk to you all next time.
[12:04] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I am male, almost 21 years old and have been working for Xfire as Xfire Helper for a few months now. For some personal issues I could not take part of the Xfire's chat event, but now I am here :)
[12:04] Badazz: Ok Teratos
[12:04] Badazz: are you here yet?
[12:04] Badazz: Thanks Jonez
[12:04] Badazz: :)
[12:05] [Xfire++] GODJonez: oh, and I am here as an individual, not as Xfire employee ;)
[12:05] Badazz: Thanks.. I thought so
[12:05] Badazz: I am still waiting for some of the guests from last week to show up.
[12:05] Badazz: Hopefully they remembered and didnt get tied up with thier busy lives
[12:05] Schattenjager: Teratos is playing hallloooooooo
[12:05] Celeste: Since when are you employee Jonez :P
[12:05] Badazz: yes
[12:05] Badazz: but he is done now
[12:05] Badazz: :)
[12:06] [Xfire++] GODJonez: "few months"
[12:06] Badazz: Teratos
[12:06] Badazz: would you like to introduce yourself?
[12:06] Celeste: Xfire employee? :O
[12:08] Celeste: o.o?
[12:08] Nodgene: *eats dinner*
[12:08] [{A}Teratos: Sorry, what am I supposed to do, I'm catching up
[12:08] Nodgene: decribe yourself
[12:08] Badazz: introduce yourself
[12:08] [{A}Teratos: Oh
[12:08] Badazz: hehe
[12:08] Schattenjager: lmao
[12:08] Badazz: smacks tera on the head
[12:08] [{A}Teratos: Alright, I'm a civil engineering student at WVU, in my third year.
[12:09] [{A}Teratos: :-/
[12:09] Badazz: And your interest in this chat is?
[12:09] [{A}Teratos: I run a bit, and I know Badazz (forgive me please).
[12:09] Nodgene: WVU?
[12:09] Badazz: shhh
[12:10]
[12:10]
[12:10] [{A}Teratos: sorry
[12:10] [{A}Teratos: I work as Director of Marketing & PR at RenWerX
[12:10] [{A}Teratos: and yes, West Virginia University
[12:10] Badazz: I am Badazz
[12:10] Badazz: I am also known as Babz
[12:11] Badazz: I game, I play tribes 2 and any puzzle game I can get my hands on.
[12:11] Badazz: I am a community leader for Elite Warriors Online, admin, server admin and teamspeak host. I also have over 250 contacts on my trillian
[12:11] Badazz: I assist at Renwerx as the Lead Recruiter
[12:11] Badazz: I am a woman gamer, mother of a gamer and wife of a gamer (almost)
[12:12] Badazz: we arent married..
[12:12] Badazz: but he is a good gamer
[12:12] Badazz: :)
[12:12] Badazz: Celeste?
[12:12] Celeste: meow?
[12:12] Badazz: ya you
[12:13] Badazz: ok is that all?
[12:13] Badazz: lol
[12:13] [Xfire++] GODJonez: isn't that enought for her?
[12:13] Badazz: Ok Hellspawn, why did I invite you and who are you?
[12:14] Nodgene: haha
[12:14] HellSpawn07: Ima dude, 39yo. my real name is kirk. Currently sound effects lead for RenWerX game Ascension. My history is strewn with sound capabilities and have done countless works in the Tribes 2 community such as...over 200 replacement sounds, skins, GUI's and other misc. goodies and am still active in a clan that I've been in for 8 years. I can't pwn anyone in a game but I can pwn like mad in a community... . My thing for being here is because I've always treated everyone the same...male/female/race...whatever. And I got backup to prove it ;p there's too much for me to say in this room so here's me: http://www.greatgamesexperiment.com/user/Venge
[12:15] Celeste: My name is Celeste, also known as Mewi. I am an A+ certified technician as of the end of last month. I also like to do art/graphic design on my spare time. I have a past history of fighting online bigotry, corruption and other things of the sort as well as have a position in three LGBT community non profit organizations. I also like to say I have alot of knowledge on law related topics ;p
[12:16] Badazz: thanks Celeste
[12:16] Badazz: :)
[12:16] Badazz: Ok, Nod
[12:16] Celeste: oh yeah, I am female, a lesbian :P
[12:16] Schattenjager: hehe
[12:16] HellSpawn07: :
[12:17] Celeste: and im 22? XP
[12:17] Badazz: I am female straight and had four kids and ama gramma
[12:17] Badazz: 40
[12:17] Schattenjager: Old woman :p
[12:17] Badazz: stfu
[12:17] [Xfire++] GODJonez: hah
[12:17] HellSpawn07: old hag
[12:17] Schattenjager: no... you sdfu :p
[12:17] Celeste: You just owned her XD
[12:17] Schattenjager: LOL
[12:17] Nodgene: Good evening everyone! I am a 19yo male studying games design games design at university in Bolton; England. My have a wide range of intellectual interests, and a keen interest in gaming ad game design I plan to use to set up a games design studio after University. .... And, I think that's a general jist of things..
[12:18] Nodgene: I*
[12:18] Badazz: another friend from renwerx has decided to join us
[12:18] hybernuclear: hi
[12:18] Badazz: Meet CytoNuclear
[12:18] Nodgene: THOSE folk.
[12:18] Badazz: well hyber here
[12:18] Nodgene: Hello :)
[12:18] SnoWytch: Hello :)
[12:18] hybernuclear: ;)
[12:18] Schattenjager: Yo
[12:18] Celeste: welcome to hell :O
[12:18] hybernuclear: hi lolll
[12:19] HellSpawn07: thank you
[12:19] Badazz: ok, Shatt, tell everyone who you are and we will get cyto last
[12:19] Celeste: not you!
[12:19] HellSpawn07: lol
[12:19] Schattenjager: Hey.... im in Hell leave my home outt a it :p
[12:19] Badazz: slow down
[12:19] Badazz: shat.. intro
[12:19] HellSpawn07: if anyone is in me...I'd know it
[12:19] Badazz: HS07!!
[12:19] Badazz: shhhh
[12:19] Badazz: she is typing... shhh
[12:20] hybernuclear: wyoming
[12:20] hybernuclear: yeah
[12:20] [{A}Teratos: from renwerx?
[12:20] Nodgene: Americans!
[12:20] [{A}Teratos: o rly?
[12:20] hybernuclear: i don't have a mic but I can hear ya guyz
[12:20] Nodgene: brb
[12:21] hybernuclear: lol
[12:22] Schattenjager: Ok, well i've been online since 93 with various games like MUD's. I am nothing specially really. Known Babz for quite a few years but i've not figured out just how long. I am female, 32 and techsupport for medical EMR program through McKesson. I've been with tribes2 sine it first came out but didn't get to meet Babz and Lone till after I joined Miami Vehicals. Of course when they decided to be bastards... gave up that. Babz pulled me into EWo and things have been yo-yo'ing since. Why I am here? Because I am the sort to see both sides of the story I guess. Not sure, have to ask Babz about that.
[12:23] Badazz: all right, sno are you here ?
[12:23] SnoWytch: Yes!
[12:23] Badazz: yay
[12:23] hybernuclear: woot
[12:23] Badazz: she skipped class to attend btw
[12:23] HellSpawn07: oooo
[12:23] SnoWytch: My name is Victoria and I am a 39 year old mom of three girls, ages 11, 8 and 6. I am working on my Masters in Computer Information Systems concentrating in Database Administration at Denver University. I started gaming in the late 70s and plan on being buried with my Xbox.:D
I am here to discuss women's issues within the gaming industry which not only affect myself, but my daughters who are becoming gamers also.
[12:23] Schattenjager: woot wtg
[12:23] hybernuclear: lol it's saturday?
[12:23] HellSpawn07: I'm tellin
[12:23] SnoWytch: :D
[12:24] SnoWytch: I attend online, its everyday for class
[12:24] hybernuclear: ahh oks
[12:24]
[12:24] Badazz: There we go
[12:24] Badazz: Hi apocolyptica...
[12:24] Apocalyptica: hiya
[12:24] hybernuclear: Hi
[12:24] SnoWytch: Hello :)
[12:24] HellSpawn07: if we have any questions...we should ask her 'cause she's got college
[12:25] hybernuclear: I'm in college
[12:25] Badazz: ok
[12:25] HellSpawn07: Masters
[12:25] HellSpawn07: ;p
[12:25] Celeste: I've got college ;p
[12:25] Badazz: apocolyptica was late getting here, i am going to paste the logs to her to help her catch up with who we are
[12:25] * HellSpawn07 just got schooled
[12:25] Apocalyptica: thanks :)
[12:25] Schattenjager: lmao
[12:25] Celeste: she knows who I am :P
[12:25] Badazz: and until then, w ewil have Hyber and her introduce themselves one at a time
[12:25] Apocalyptica: was out for a meal. it is evening here ^^
[12:26] hybernuclear: huh?
[12:26] Nodgene: back
[12:26] [{A}Teratos: Time zones make the internet even more interesting.
[12:26] hybernuclear: lol
[12:26] Apocalyptica: indeed
[12:26] hybernuclear: ok
[12:26] hybernuclear: ummm
[12:28] Nodgene: I'm at university! Why does my positiion not get mentioned?!
[12:28] hybernuclear: I live in wyoming, was born in Dallas, TX ummn, been playing comp games since I can remember, T2 is fave and Ascension is gonna rox the house. I'm currently 18 and freshman in college University of Wyoming studying pre med
[12:28] Celeste: congrats Nodgene :p
[12:28] Nodgene: :D
[12:30] Badazz: ok apocolyptica, can you tell everyone here who you are? your turn
[12:32] Apocalyptica: ok, so I am Apocalyptica, I am 39 and been playing games since I am 7. I am a programmer and used to be part of a game developing company making §D RTS PC Games.. Now I ahve my own company and we are developing 3D Browserbesed MMO's
[12:32] Badazz: Thanks!
[12:32] hybernuclear: like Adventure Quest?
[12:33] Badazz: OK guys, we have a half an hour til 1 when officially our chat should start, i am going to round up the others if i can
[12:33] Apocalyptica: more like a mix between Diabola and and mordern MMORPG
[12:33] Apocalyptica: *Diabolo
[12:33] hybernuclear: ok
[12:33] hybernuclear: cool
[12:33] HellSpawn07: need someone for sounds?
[12:33] Celeste: Diablo*?
[12:33] HellSpawn07: ;x
[12:33] Apocalyptica: ^^
[12:33] Apocalyptica: thanks, bit sounds already
[12:33] hybernuclear: >:)
[12:34] Badazz: Hellspawn is the bomb
[12:34] Apocalyptica: lol, my typing has taking a turn to the worse ^^
[12:34] hybernuclear: what is HS doing?
[12:34] Celeste: Adventure quest is that web based flash game :p
[12:34] Celeste: lol XD
[12:34] HellSpawn07: same thing you're doing hybernuclear
[12:34] Apocalyptica: yes, we are not using flash, don't like flash at all :p
[12:34] hybernuclear: htat;s good
[12:34] Apocalyptica: can't do 3D ^^
[12:34] Badazz: go ahead and chat together, and godjones is gonna call the office and hunt down brinstar right?
[12:34] HellSpawn07: I'm wondering what I'm doing too
[12:34] hybernuclear: and what am I doins hell?
[12:35] Nodgene: apocalyptica, I'd be interested in discussing issues of setting up a games studio with you at some point. I need to know the like, specifically hiring and financing.
[12:36] Apocalyptica: stuff like that you can always ask me via email. One can make a lot longer text ^^ jasmin@pixeltamer.net.
[12:36] [Xfire++] GODJonez: no
[12:36] hybernuclear: ok
[12:36] Apocalyptica: thanks
[12:36] Nodgene: righteo
[12:36] [Xfire++] GODJonez: no idea where she would be
[12:37] Apocalyptica: Oh I forgot, I am also the tech lead tutor for the master degree students for the gaming university of Gotland, Sweden ^^
[12:37] HellSpawn07: :o
[12:37] [{A}Teratos: cool
[12:37] [Xfire++] GODJonez: hmm, gaming university?
[12:37] Nodgene: Your knowladge will prove useful.
[12:37] HellSpawn07: how could you possibly forget something like that?
[12:37] HellSpawn07: ;p
[12:37] Nodgene: hellspawn has a point
[12:38] hybernuclear: no kidding :P
[12:38] * HellSpawn07 puts a hat on to cover the point
[12:38] Apocalyptica: yes, in sweden being a game programmer or artist is like a nirmal job and one even can get state funding to study it
[12:38] hybernuclear: lol
[12:38] Badazz: wow
[12:38] Badazz: that is great jasmin
[12:38] hybernuclear: nice
[12:38] Apocalyptica: yes I could , I forget my head if it was not screwed on ;)
[12:39] HellSpawn07: where do they plug you in?
[12:39] Apocalyptica: yes, gaming in europe has become a lot of recongition
[12:39] Nodgene: yeah, france I believe initiated a recognition of gaming as worth of state funding; the same as art or cinema. and the UK is setting up a lot of games design courses.
[12:39] Apocalyptica: hehe
[12:39] HellSpawn07: :)
[12:39] Badazz: gaming in europe is a lot more normal there, not gender specific as much huh
[12:39] Apocalyptica: yes, here in germany it is happening too
[12:39] hybernuclear: wish I were there... almost
[12:39] Apocalyptica: indeed. genders does nto matter what so ever here in germany
[12:39] HellSpawn07: that's because you're not normal babs
[12:40] Nodgene: You poor Americans; I don't know how you survive in your messed up society :(
[12:40] Badazz: lol
[12:40] Badazz: now now
[12:40] HellSpawn07: it's tough
[12:40] Apocalyptica: well I used to live in US and am happy to be back in europe I must admit
[12:40] SnoWytch: I miss Germany
[12:40] hybernuclear: hahahahahaahhahaaaaa
[12:40] hybernuclear: no jk
[12:40] hybernuclear: jk
[12:40] [{A}Teratos: Interesting...
[12:40] [Xfire++] GODJonez: Finland pwns
[12:40] Schattenjager: What gets me is the attitudes about whats going on in the world.... :(
[12:40] Nodgene: They produce killer weapons... Literally.
[12:40] Celeste: >.> there is nothing wrong with American society....
[12:41] Nodgene: what with?
[12:41] hybernuclear: who?
[12:41] [{A}Teratos: So stigmas surrounding females gaming are non-existant in Europe?
[12:41] Schattenjager: I hate how people hate on a country
[12:41] HellSpawn07: afk...political talk
[12:41] Celeste: and its not as 'messed up' as foreigners claim
[12:41] hybernuclear: what?
[12:41] Badazz: slow down on the politics
[12:41] Badazz: ok
[12:41] Badazz: :)
[12:41] hybernuclear: oh
[12:41] Apocalyptica: well in germany there isn't, same as females gamers
[12:41] Schattenjager: Sorry, most attitudes stem from IRL events.
[12:41] Badazz: well we are here to discuss the culture of gaming
[12:41] Nodgene: No, because there's still more girls doing girly things than gaming.
[12:42] Badazz: and women in it
[12:42] Badazz: and the differences, the challenes and the benefits
[12:42] HellSpawn07: i do guy things more than gaming too
[12:42] Nodgene: Maybe that's just the UK though.
[12:42] Schattenjager: That is why certain aears have certain attiudes. Euro's have a laid back attitude but americans dont...
[12:42] SnoWytch: brb, break before next chat starts
[12:42] hybernuclear: I've heard 28-48ish women do more gaing than any other group
[12:42] HellSpawn07: there's a reason for that hyber
[12:42] Apocalyptica: well I have been in gaming since I am 7 and am now 39 :P
[12:42] Schattenjager: *chuckles*
[12:42] Nodgene: Americans have a dangerously large number of religious fanatics. Some of them are as bad as Al-Queada.
[12:42] hybernuclear: lool well that too
[12:43] Badazz: i have been gaming all my life
[12:43] HellSpawn07: because men turn into assheads at that age group
[12:43] Badazz: first it was board games, then cards, then video games then the ARCADE
[12:43] Schattenjager: True.. btu that doesnt give anyone a right to put everyone into that catagory y'know?
[12:43] Nodgene: lol, males are worst at teenage years. Surely?
[12:43] HellSpawn07: no
[12:43] Badazz: no
[12:43] HellSpawn07: mid 30s
[12:43] Badazz: i live with a 50 year old gamer that is male
[12:43] Schattenjager: :ift... Bab look at Toetag :p
[12:43] Badazz: he is grumpy
[12:43] [{A}Teratos: [15:41] Nodgene: Americans have a dangerously large number of religious fanatics. Some of them are as bad as Al-Queada. <<<>.>
[12:49] [{A}Teratos: The media eats that stuff up, we really don' t have many of those folks, and most religious folks don't care about modern Isreal except in a purely secular way.
[12:50] hybernuclear: hmmn hmmn not so sure about that teratos
[12:50] hybernuclear: fairly accurate
[12:50] Celeste: Yes sorry that wanting equal rights makes us gays and lesbians 'far worse'
[12:50] HellSpawn07: I was discussing on the phone to an old clan member/Leader (that is female) about an old clan member that I wasn't going to let into the clan because she couldn't offer anything to the team such as support or skillwise on our competition ladder. I let her in because she was trying to find somewhere comfortable to be because no one would accept her. It was a very odd situation
[12:50] Nodgene: I know that there is a majority who are friendly folk; I even know one creationist from the states who is a lovely and tolerant person. But how does your government get so influenced by weird right-wing ideals and such?
[12:51] * [{A}Teratos now confirms that Europeans can be rude.
[12:51] hybernuclear: Well. your society is agnostic, ours isn't. end of story
[12:51] Celeste: I dont know what 'influence' you are talking about.
[12:51] Nodgene: So can Americans :P We Europeans arn't a quiet bunch though, I'll grant you :)
[12:51] [Xfire++] GODJonez: <- is quiet [12:52] hybernuclear: lol [12:52] Nodgene: American policies on everything from stem-cells to isreal. [12:52] [{A}Teratos: I'm a *weird* creationist from the states. Our government is influenced by corruption, like your European governments - it just advertises it under a different banner. [12:52] HellSpawn07: I'm not here to gripe about countries or political and religious views. The matter at hand is equality in gaming [12:52] hybernuclear: yes [12:52] hybernuclear: yes to both of above [12:52] HellSpawn07: can we please get back on track? [12:52] Nodgene: I suppose that is right :( [12:52] Nodgene: Sorry. [12:52] hybernuclear: on trak = +++ [12:52] HellSpawn07: :) [12:52] Badazz: ty [12:52] Nodgene: I don't see a great disparity between males and females in gaming. *shrugs* [12:53] HellSpawn07: that's why you're here [12:53] HellSpawn07: :P [12:53] Nodgene: :) [12:53] Schattenjager: Hmm, liet me give you all an example [12:53] Nodgene: Shoot [12:53] hybernuclear: yes? [12:53] Schattenjager: Warrock, I play that a lot.... [12:53] Nodgene: I played that when it was a free beta. [12:53] Schattenjager: In there the range of ages are 11 to 50 something [12:53] SnoWytch: I see myself as a Gamer. I don't really see male or female when I am online gameing [12:54] hybernuclear: if they are cussing alot and dirty talking = male in general [12:54] Celeste: Everyone is so obsessed with US government because it happens to be the only 1st world country in the world. So jealousy arises and people target the US with little lies, rumours, gossip etc. [12:54] hybernuclear: oN TRAK! [12:54] Badazz: ok we are done talking about america and europe [12:54] Schattenjager: But as soon as I tell someone i am female I get these young little fucks haraassing me. Hell in WR you get clans harassing anyone who has a tag in the game. That makes it uncomfortable to play. But you find that harassment everywhere and its not gender based. [12:54] Nodgene: what's wrong with cursing? When your friend sneaks up beind you and smacks your head in, crawling back when you were on a role - that's worth a loud profanity! [12:54] Celeste: I'm not done -.- [12:54] Schattenjager: Basicly human nature is to compete and who's top dog. Women are seen as poor figures for that position. [12:55] HellSpawn07: the thing that I see too many women suffer is when they are found out to "be" female...they get bashed and pinpointed about everything they do and why should anything like that happen?...because of male insecurities [12:55] hybernuclear: Celeste, but you aRE off track, plz come back on [12:55] Nodgene: I'd disagree. Women sadly have a greater capacity for social understanding and manipulation than males. [12:55] hybernuclear: agree with HS and i am male [12:55] Badazz: ok [12:55] Celeste: You recently said a negative thing about homosexuals hybernuclear. That is something I cannot ignore -.- [12:55] Badazz: I have a list of topic questions to use today [12:55] Badazz: and you guys are actually hitting right on them [12:56] Badazz: So lets get this started by everyone hushing up while I get this started [12:56] hybernuclear: Nodge again you are misinformed, they just tend to grvtate that way, same as the gravitate towadr laguange while men gravitate towar mathe/shience [12:56] Nodgene: But hellspawn, girls get hit on ALL the time. Doesn't matter where. It's not something specific to gaming that can be fixed if it's root is a social problem or attitude. [12:56] Badazz: SHHHHHHH [12:56] [Xfire++] GODJonez: once a female gamer, nick Lea, joined my Counter-Strike server where I was playing with my friend. Unlike many other random people that joined the server, it was nice to play with her [12:56] hybernuclear: ok [12:56] HellSpawn07: personal sexuality is not a topic for discussion...can we leave it at that please? [12:56] [{A}Teratos: +m this channel :) [12:56]
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[12:56] Celeste: I am female, I am lesbian. Since lesbians are related to women and gaming, sexuality is related as well.
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[12:57] Badazz: OKay
[12:57] Nodgene: MODERATION!
[12:57] hybernuclear: sorry celeste
[12:57] [{A}Teratos: I can see Celeste's point there.
[12:57] Badazz: now. I have some questions I am going to layout
[12:57] Badazz: as we go along
[12:57] Badazz: one person at a time will talk as I name them
[12:57] Badazz: if there is too much interruption you will be muted
[12:57] hybernuclear: i just mean the disparity is greaet that with right wing, I wasn't puting you down
[12:57] Badazz: hyber
[12:57] Badazz: pls
[12:57] hybernuclear: ok
[12:58] Nodgene: Uh, well they "graviatate" towards that because it's a natural thing. I don't see how whatyou're saying effects what I said, please explain.
[12:58] Badazz: thank you
[12:58] Badazz: NOD
[12:58] Badazz: shhh
[12:58] Nodgene: : Sorry, I focus on typing and not reading.
[12:58] Nodgene: until I'm done :)
[12:58] Badazz: everyone will get a chance to get a question
[12:58] hybernuclear: yes'm
[12:58] Badazz: and everyone will be given an opportunity to discuss after that person is done
[12:59] Badazz: show some respect and hold your tongue even if it is burning inside you.. write in notepad so you dont forget if you have to
[12:59] Badazz: but dont interrupt
[12:59] Badazz: Last week it was hard because a question would be asked and everyone would answer at once
[12:59] Badazz: so i want this to go much more smoothly
[12:59] Badazz: ok
[12:59] Badazz: you can respond yes or no now
[12:59] Badazz: :)
[13:00] Badazz: or request to be muted :) LOL
[13:00] Badazz: OK
[13:00] Nodgene: K! It's hard! Not to type stuff when you feel passionately about it and don't realise what someone has typed until you press "enter"!
[13:00] Badazz: the first set of questions is for a woman
[13:00] Nodgene: *is quiet*
[13:00] hybernuclear: ditto
[13:00] Badazz: so I am going to pick Apocoliptica
[13:00] Apocalyptica: here
[13:00] Apocalyptica: ^^
[13:01] Badazz: this is a set of three
[13:01] Badazz: Do you believe that your role as a woman has enhanced your ability to be in a role of authority, and if so, how?
Do you see any difference as an authority person, in how you are treated by people?
Better or worse, by men or by women?
[13:03] Apocalyptica: Answer to No1: No I truly believe that it was not me beeing female that gave me first my job and then my own firm. It was a pssion for games, knowledge about gaming and a passion for my job, meaning a passion to code. Only this got me my position fist as a coder to be employed, then a lead coder and then my own firm. I am also a good teamplayer and no primadonna which is important in a big team
[13:04] Apocalyptica: Answer to No2: Yes, wenn I am dealing with international peeps I do have to show them that I have experience and also know what I am talking about. Once they realize this, I am totally accepted as a person and not looked upon as a female.
[13:06] Apocalyptica: Answer NO3: By women I find I am treated usually worse as in my experience (there are always exeptions of course) women want to be more than euqal and when they start talking to me and my views, they totally cannot understand. I do realize that is because of the cultural difference and explain. After that all usually goes finde
[13:06] Apocalyptica: *fine
[13:06] Badazz: Thanks Jasmine
[13:07] Apocalyptica: anytime :)
[13:07] Badazz: Ok is there anyone in the room burning to respond to this?
[13:07] hybernuclear: I agree completely with all 3
[13:07] Apocalyptica: thanks :)
[13:07] SnoWytch: I do also, especially No 3
[13:08] Nodgene: Women treat each other wose? I have noticed how bitchy teenage girls and girls can be, but nothing of women?
[13:08] Nodgene: worse*
[13:08] SnoWytch: Sometimes this is the case, i have found
[13:08] [{A}Teratos: I can believe #2, but I think it will fade in the coming years.
[13:09] Badazz: Ok, Snowytch
[13:09] Badazz: Does the natural mothering skills of a woman give her an advantage as a leader in gaming, do people respond well to that persona?
[13:10] SnoWytch: I think so. It tends to come out unintentionally when gaming. I have serveral adopted little brothers from WoW that I tend to be motherly to. This could just be me though. As a mom, I do tend to take charge of situations.
[13:10] Badazz: Would anyone like to respond to the question or answer?
[13:11] HellSpawn07: yes
[13:11] Badazz: go for it
[13:11] HellSpawn07: mmmm...
[13:11] HellSpawn07: not all women have those capabilities entirely
[13:11] HellSpawn07: solely based on their upbringing
[13:11] HellSpawn07: BUT
[13:11] Nodgene: You'd be suprised.
[13:12] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I believe that for this subject the type of game has a significant role. In a MMORPG like World of Warcraft I think it would really work, but in other kinds of games, such as FPS games the mothery way would not be effective
[13:12] hybernuclear: again i have to agree SW, sounds right to me. as to HS, lol
[13:12] Nodgene: oops, spoke out of turn - sorry.
[13:12] HellSpawn07: there is a certain "mortar that keeps the brick in place" that men in general cannot supply
[13:13] HellSpawn07: done
[13:13] Apocalyptica: yes I totally agree with GodJOnez
[13:13] Badazz: I dont
[13:13] Badazz: I am totally FPS
[13:13] Badazz: and we host a chat
[13:13] Nodgene: Nor do I.
[13:13] Badazz: I have to pul my mommy hat on regularly
[13:13] [{A}Teratos: I see Badazz attempt this quite often. I think some gamers respond to it quite well. I've known several that use gaming as an escape from poor conditions IRL, if you will, and have noticed that they are particularly interested in being 'adopted'.
[13:13] hybernuclear: i agree with him somewaht
[13:13] Badazz: with leaders and with youngsters
[13:13] Nodgene: Your proection of your peers becomes more prominent in more intense FPS scenarios.
[13:13] hybernuclear: doeant completely control it, but does affect some
[13:14] Badazz: I have had to quiet battles stemmed from gameplay
[13:14] Nodgene: although my friends just either run into death or kill me. So it's not that usual for me to be teamworking on FPS :(
[13:14] Badazz: i have had to organize events
[13:14] Badazz: the men have taught me alot about strategy and the sort
[13:14] HellSpawn07: Babs took over my role so I stopped coming around
[13:14] HellSpawn07: lol
[13:15] Badazz: but I think that they have learned tolerance and modified admin powers from me
[13:15] Badazz: instead of big hammers, they think before they strike now
[13:15] hybernuclear: lol
[13:15] Badazz: OK next
[13:16] Badazz: Jonez
[13:16] Badazz: What do women to do differently as a leader than a man would have done? Do you notice a particular difference in style, expectations etc?
[13:17] [Xfire++] GODJonez: typing
[13:18] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I have personally not seen so many cases where I had known that the person taking the lead would be female, so I cannot really answer this question for sure. But I have a feeling that there isn't so much of a difference, especially when it comes to games requiring skill.
[13:19] Badazz: how about in your position as an xfire staff member?
[13:19] Badazz: that is part of hte gaming culture, communication programs like this
[13:19] Badazz: there are men and women on the staff.. do you notice any differences?
[13:19] [Xfire++] GODJonez: the company hierarchy really doesn't make me applicable for that question
[13:20] Badazz: does xfire use the women differently?
[13:20] [Xfire++] GODJonez: but they are quite equal as far as I can see
[13:20] Badazz: has anyone else got a response to this as well?
[13:20] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I'd say there are surprisingly many women working for Xfire
[13:20] Nodgene: Yes
[13:21] Celeste: 5 total
[13:21] hybernuclear: hmnn I would say women treat leadersip/admin more as a responsibility in general, men as a priveledge
[13:21] SnoWytch: I would think women tend to work more with emotions, and use this in leadership
[13:21] Apocalyptica: I find there is differenhces between coder, grafik artist and level designer, but no differences between gender
[13:21] Celeste: 5 out of 30 at xfire headquarters
[13:21] [{A}Teratos: I agree with hybernuclear.
[13:22] Badazz: hmmfp... makes me think of someone, but i will be mum about it
[13:22] Badazz: ok
[13:22] Nodgene: I'd say men make poor team members.
[13:22] hybernuclear: and this is boviously not always true, as there are the "different" people like me
[13:22] Badazz: Celeste, i am gonna give you a Juicy one
[13:22] Badazz: *Do you think that women can be catty, especially with each other and can this affect leadership roles?
[13:22] HellSpawn07: I agree with that Nod
[13:22] Nodgene: In my experience, a good friend of mine who is a competent gamer usually manages to fail a team because he fails to tell the other what he needs to do, or fails to ask when he needs help, or correlate at all with a team plan.
[13:22] Badazz: Nod...
[13:23] Badazz: I asked celeste a question
[13:23] HellSpawn07: Badazz: Celeste, i am gonna give you a Juicy one
Badazz: *Do you think that women can be catty, especially with each other and can this affect leadership roles?
[13:23] Nodgene: Sorry, I was responding to the "Badazz: has anyone else got a response to this as well?"
[13:23] Badazz: hehe ok
[13:23] Badazz: shh
[13:23] Nodgene: :(
[13:23] Badazz: sorry
[13:23] Celeste: Not really, anyone can conflict with anyone. That "catty" term was a mediavised influence that placed the idea in men that if two girls fight they will eventually engage in some sort of lesbian romance.
[13:23] hybernuclear: huh?
[13:23] Badazz: realy?
[13:23] Nodgene: what?
[13:23] Badazz: never heard that but ok
[13:24] hybernuclear: that was random
[13:24] Nodgene: *laughs*
[13:24] Nodgene: fantadtic myth.
[13:24] Celeste: aka "cat fight"
[13:24] Nodgene: fanatastic*
[13:24] * HellSpawn07 falls out of his chair
[13:24] Nodgene: haha
[13:24] hybernuclear: Irlly wanna laugh right now
[13:24] Badazz: OK lets keep this real
[13:24] [{A}Teratos: wow
[13:24] Badazz: ok
[13:24] HellSpawn07: wtf
[13:24] hybernuclear: ok
[13:24] Celeste: I am quite serious.
[13:24] hybernuclear: I kow you are
[13:24] Badazz: Celeste would you like to speak more?
[13:25] Celeste: I am the one that chooses when to speak ;p
[13:25] Badazz: Ok are you done?
[13:25] Celeste: maybe, maybe not ;3
[13:25] hybernuclear: >:0
[13:25] Badazz: she is the devil.
[13:25] hybernuclear: lol
[13:25] HellSpawn07: we're just trying to keep thingsa movin
[13:25] Badazz: ok celeste i am moving on to the next question
[13:25] Badazz: For... hmmmm
[13:25] hybernuclear: thx
[13:25] Badazz: who do i pick for this one
[13:26] Badazz: Teratos
[13:26] [{A}Teratos: oh my
[13:26] Badazz: What do you do to protect the younger groups of players that come in.
[13:26] * HellSpawn07 points at Teratos
[13:26] [{A}Teratos: Aww, I've run a clan since 2003
[13:27] hybernuclear: >:O age discrim!
[13:27] Nodgene: haha
[13:27] [{A}Teratos: no
[13:27] [{A}Teratos: typing
[13:28] [{A}Teratos: We were worried we might have problems with younger players (and our few females) being at risk from older players. We didn't really verify ages or backgrounds. What we did was closely monitor VoIP, and publicized information about "e-safety". We also had rules regarding personal information. It worked out quite well I think.
[13:29] Badazz: Those are really great tactics
[13:29] Badazz: Anyone else want to comment?
[13:29] hybernuclear: That's called good planning. Excellent work.
[13:29] HellSpawn07: very sexy
[13:29] hybernuclear: ????
[13:29] [{A}Teratos: Note: I was one of the kids at the time, but no one knew.
[13:29] hybernuclear: lol
[13:30] Celeste: As a moderator I'd like to say that keeping certain players PG is usually an impossible goal and that banning them is usually the only solution.
[13:30] Badazz: I know one of my things, is that I speak to the females immediately, and let them know that we are here, and if there is any trouble at all to immediately contact myself or another admin. we dont tolerate women being harrassed.
[13:31] HellSpawn07: she's got her finger on the button at all times!
[13:31] hybernuclear: agree with Celeste *, and Badazz.
[13:31] Badazz: ok
[13:31] Badazz: Shatt, did i ask you anything yet?
[13:31] Schattenjager: nope
[13:32] Badazz: How do you handle group situations, when adult topics pop up unexpectedly in mixed age groups?
[13:32] Nodgene: *laughs* "shat" here is a humorously warped form of the word "shit" :D
[13:32] Apocalyptica: I kick them from the chat
[13:32] Badazz: hold on
[13:32] Apocalyptica: ups sorry
[13:32] Badazz: everyone.. shat's turn
[13:32] Celeste: Some players/members think they own chat rooms or forum sections so they deny the rules in which the server is advocated by. Oftenly talk back is usually this "if they dont like it they can leave"
[13:33] Nodgene: brb
[13:33] Celeste: "I didnt ask them to read my post"
[13:33] hybernuclear: she was being sarc
[13:33] Badazz: OK that question was for shattenjagger
[13:33] Badazz: shhh
[13:33] Celeste: "If they are old enough to type, they are old enough to deal with it"
[13:33] Celeste: o.O
[13:36] Schattenjager: *eyes them* Well, me, since I can't do jack shit about it i tend to mute them if its beyound what I wish to hear. There's not much I can't handle. I am 32, I am an adult. I curse just as badly as the men at times. If I find something inappropiate I am going to let others know what I think pretty bluntly. Over here, there is issues with age, in europe and all there are no issues. America regulates things where was others around the world do not. Yes if they are old enough maybe they should be able to handle it . Either way, it depends on the adult situation. Me, i have no problem with it but sometimes others don't need to hear it. Not that it really answers the question.
[13:36] Badazz: Ok, anyone else want to comment before we move to next question?
[13:37] hybernuclear: I Engage (as many of the youngsters as possible) them in personal chats so they don't have to see it while politely reccomending that the offender leave, if they don't I ban them >;)
[13:37] hybernuclear: and mute is always good too, permanently
[13:37] Badazz: this brings us to Voice binds
[13:37] SnoWytch: On the other side, it is my responsibility as a parent to monitor my child online and in games.
[13:37] Badazz: How does Everyone here feel about auto voice binds that can be altered skewed and made to be really gross
[13:38] [Xfire++] GODJonez: hate em
[13:38] hybernuclear: grrr
[13:38] Nodgene: eh?
[13:38] * HellSpawn07 pleas the 5th
[13:38] Nodgene: Explain please what a "voice bind" is?
[13:38] hybernuclear: I like alterable, but oughta auto blok nastiness
[13:38] Badazz: hellspawn07
[13:38] hybernuclear: V, V, G.
[13:38] Badazz: could you define voice binds
[13:38] Badazz: ?
[13:38] HellSpawn07: yes
[13:38] Badazz: without providing gross ones?
[13:38] Badazz: lol
[13:39] HellSpawn07: a voice bind is a command path of keys to generate an audio voice clip in game to notify another player
[13:39] Nodgene: k
[13:39] hybernuclear: V, G, C for you T1 players, jk.
[13:39] Badazz: ok
[13:39] Badazz: next question
[13:39] Nodgene: sort of like spamming audio taunts?
[13:39] [{A}Teratos: lol, tribes isn't the only series to have such things.
[13:39] Badazz: yes
[13:40] Nodgene: k
[13:40] hybernuclear: except faster and worse
[13:40] Nodgene: righteo
[13:40] Badazz: Who did i miss?
[13:40] Badazz: nod?
[13:40] Badazz: have you had a question yet? hyber? who is next
[13:40] hybernuclear: i haven't
[13:40] Badazz: Ok Cytonuclear... as I know you
[13:40] hybernuclear: hmmmn?
[13:41] hybernuclear: I'm fine, just ask for my veiwpoint
[13:41] Nodgene: *is quiet*
[13:41] Badazz: As a long time woman gamer, I am still somewhat discouraged that the gaming industry continues to develop games that suffer from Zelda syndrome. (Hero rescues brainless woman) Stubbs the zombie is a good example.
Do you feel the industry is improving how women are portrayed in games and in leadership roles or is there still improvements that need to be made?
[13:41] Nodgene: who is that for?
[13:41] Badazz: hyber
[13:42] Nodgene: k
[13:43] hybernuclear: Well, I havn't played a very wide range of games, but I feel in general that they are improving, like female hereos, Bloodrayne, and smarter (sometimes sassier) female characters, and yes, there aren't as nearly as many "brainless" women in gaming anymore, I think they know you're here girls!
[13:43] Badazz: Okay, anyone want to comment further?
[13:43] [Xfire++] GODJonez: That's the traditional storyline for many (non-gaming) stories, you have been read these stories as children, you have seen them on TV's. So why not have them in games too?
[13:44] Badazz: I agre jonez
[13:44] hybernuclear: I also think it was a "how men veiw women (perhaps that man's ideal woman?)stereotype thing
[13:44] Nodgene: I would agree, it's a social reflection.
[13:44] [Xfire++] GODJonez: but I see that gaming industry is (fortunately) moving towards accepting women as the heroes of the games as well
[13:44] hybernuclear: well, I am fine with that genre, but brainless? that's just stupid
[13:44] Nodgene: haha, if a man's ideal woman is brainless that's a pretty damning reflection of them.
[13:44] hybernuclear: no duh
[13:45] [Xfire++] GODJonez: I take no zombies
[13:45] Badazz: I think I am gonna get snowytch with the next question
[13:45] SnoWytch: ok
[13:45] Badazz: it is a tripple
[13:45] SnoWytch: Oh boy :D
[13:45] Badazz: How would you describe the cutlure of gaming to a complete noob. say one of your girl members brought her mom into gaming..?
How would you prepare her for what she is going to see/feel and hear?
What would you like to say to the Gaming Industry as a woman gamer?
[13:47] SnoWytch: No. 1 Hmmmm. It is a unique culture. We have our own way of speaking, and our unique social ladder, based on game kills!
[13:48] SnoWytch: No 2. My oldest daughter is 11 and has taken off in games, online and off. She tends to be shy and look to me to answer for her when spoken to in a game. I am slowly getting used to talking to people in game.
[13:48] SnoWytch: getting her used to talking*
[13:49] SnoWytch: To the gaming industry: I am a Gamer first and formost, who just happens to be a woman.
[13:49] Badazz: hoorah
[13:50] Badazz: OK, we are done. I had a few more questions, but they are already covered by answers and questions that we went over!!
[13:50] Badazz: I think we did a great job today folks
[13:50] Badazz: and
[13:50] Badazz: we need to think about our next chat
[13:50] Apocalyptica: right, I need to be off now. Sorry about that. Need to catch a plane. Talk to you all next time.
[13:50] Badazz: First off... when, how often
[13:50] Apocalyptica: totally agree with that: SnoWytch: To the gaming industry: I am a Gamer first and formost, who just happens to be a woman.
[13:50] Badazz: by Jasmin
[13:50] Badazz: thanks!!!
[13:50] Apocalyptica: anytime
[13:50] Apocalyptica: N8 @ all
[13:50] Apocalyptica: was excelllent
[13:50] * HellSpawn07 waves
[13:51] Apocalyptica: *waves* :)
[13:51]
[13:51] Badazz: Ok, so how often do we want to get together???
[13:51] Badazz: and chat
[13:51] Badazz: 1 X a month
[13:51] hybernuclear: We're done? Ok. Half of me is getting bored getting mostly predictable answers (I'm not putting anyone down) and the other half of me doesn't have anything better to do, and the other half of me is genuinely interested. (yes 3/2) Bye All!
[13:51] Badazz: 2 x?
[13:51] HellSpawn07: once every 3 years
[13:51] hybernuclear: 4x?
[13:51] Nodgene: http://whatshlsci.ytmnd.com/
[13:51] [{A}Teratos: SnoWytch: To the gaming industry: I am a Gamer first and formost, who just happens to be a woman.
[13:51] [{A}Teratos: me too :)
[13:52] SnoWytch: :)
[13:52] [{A}Teratos: err..well, I'm not a woman, but...
[13:52] Nodgene: I can't say I;m part of that elite club :(
[13:52] [{A}Teratos: you get the point
[13:52] Schattenjager: Doesnt matter to me.. sometimes i might not be around.. btu Babz knows when i am
[13:52] Badazz: and TOPIC for next chat?????
[13:52] Badazz: ANy suggestions?
[13:53] Nodgene: *shrugs*
[13:53] [{A}Teratos: Well, I think there are more topics to be discussed, probably tougher questions too.
